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To those interested in TESOL: What's the problem?

by Benjamin Stewart
Posted on 19 July, 2011

TESOL Talk 8 will be dedicated to problem setting within a language teaching and learning context.  This session is not about listing problems with technology per se (e.g., complaining about WizIQ), but the problems you face relating to the teaching and learning of English based on what you are currently doing and what your students are currently doing.  The following are some examples:


No pointing fingers
Not what I had in mind:  English language learners (the target audience of the problem) aren't learning in my class because the screensharing function doesn't work on my Linux computer (e.g., reasoning).

What I had in mind:  I notice that I speak too much during my WizIQ sessions and my students seem very shy to speak in class (even though they all have microphones) and seldom use the chat box to ask questions about what I am saying.  Note: There are three problems in this example, any one of the them alone would be too general.  But including the three, provides a better context around the overall problem one faces.

Be specific
Not what I had in mind: I notice that my students don't attend my class.

What I had in mind: I notice that when I use songs, I get a lot of class participation but when I quiz them afterwards, I realize they still do not understand the grammatical structure I was wanting them to be able to use and understand.  

TESOL Talk 8 will allow you to reflect and share your context with others  and will be used as a brainstorming tool to problem set your way towards a solution.

Hope to see you in our next session!

Tags: TESOL, TEFL

by EFL Campus posted on 20 July, 2011
Ben, do you mean TESOL in general, or cyberTESOL? *hey ho! this is my second coinage!
by EFL Campus posted on 21 July, 2011
If I understand correctly, which is extremely unlikely cos of the food poisoning, sleep deprivation or Dr Dukan's Diet, this is a call for case-studies, action research style; and we will be problem solving (hopefully)?

See you in the morning, guys! :)
by EFL Campus posted on 25 July, 2011
Not sure if my scenarios will fit, as I have been doing private online tuition lately, and it is totally different from what I would have had to do in an institutionalised setting. Yet, I would be happy to upload my cases. Some common problems:

* contrary to what has been expressed in assorted posts, students have a vague idea of what their level is; they either underestimate themselves, or are overly optimistic. So... how do you break the news gently? And how do you devise a plan that spares their ego, while, at the same time, works for them?

* shoot me, I know it is silly, but... someone wants IELTS coaching, and their goal is 6.5, even 7 (or even worse, 7.5 for Oxbridge). Yet they are barely B1. So - your course of action?

* assessing speaking skills - now, that is a huge can of worms! What instruments do you guys use? I have done  CEFR assessment courses, I am doing an IELTS examiner course, sheesh, I have over 20+ years of experience, and yet - that is a gray area. Wish we could discuss a checklist, share experiences and yes, I know, it is something that is too elusive to quantify. And yet, for practical purposes - how do you assess, how do you measure progress?

Will post specific examples later, or have them ready for class.

by EFL Campus posted on 26 July, 2011
Ouch... it is nothing like that, I'm afraid, so probably not a good study case for your class.

1. Context: Before I embark on an individual private teaching contract, I run a standardised placement test (usually this one)
2. Handling results: usually there is a discrepancy  between the level achieved at the test, and the level that the student thinks he/she is at; if they reject the result, I have some more tests and techniques up my sleeve to dig into it;
3. My solution: I can only offer what I consider a reasonable and achievable action plan, within a sensible time-frame; if they want to improve their IELTS score by 3 bands in 2 weeks, oh well, good luck and find someone else who can deliver that.

As to your question 4: I think most people are able to handle disappointment (somehow, success seems to be much easier to cope with). A test is a test is a test... and just that... foddder for thought, for analysis, a challenge. I make sure I explain the mechanics of the test and its limitations before they embark on it.

By the way, do you have any comments/practical suggestions as to how to evaluate speaking skills? I have to find qualified external evaluators within the next two weeks, and am really panicking cos I don't have a working framework myself!
by Benjamin Stewart posted on 27 July, 2011
Hello Elena.  My short answer would be to use a speaking rubric.  Are you on G+?  Let me know if you want to hang out and we can discuss this.
by Benjamin Stewart posted on 26 July, 2011
Thanks Elena for sharing.  One way to think about a problem statement is in terms of context, behaviors, and rationale.  For example, your first example could be framed as follows (not saying this is a problem you are having):

When I teach general English classes in WizIQ, I notice that I am at a loss for words when I detect students who are either over or under confident in their ability to speak.  One reason for this might be that the needs analysis that was applied at the beginning of the course does not apply to the current needs of the students.

Philosophical analysis:
1. When I teach general English classes in WizIQ,... Provides context.
2. ...I notice that I am at a loss for words when I detect students who are either over or under confident in their ability to speak. States behaviors that outline a problem in general terms.
3. One reason for this might be that the needs analysis that was applied at the beginning of the course does not apply to the current needs of the students.The rationale or hypothesis that explains why a problem exist.  An additional problem could be inherent in the rationale as well.  Also, the rationale could be directly related to what the educator is doing, thinking, assuming, etc.

More to your first example, Elena...the following questions come to mind:
1.) What kind of class are you teaching?
2.) What are students doing or not doing that makes you believe that they are not aware of their English level?
3.) Does it matter that they are unaware of their level?
4.) Is there a way to address this matter without breaking the news to them (telling them that they lack confidence or are over confident)?

These are some things I hope we can discuss during TESOL Talk 8. The idea is to bounce questions off of each other as they relate to context, behaviors, and problem rationale.
by Benjamin Stewart posted on 23 July, 2011
Yep, Elena. That's the idea. :)
by Benjamin Stewart posted on 21 July, 2011
Nice, Elena...I like!  Either one is fine.  Your issues can be based on f2f, blended, or distance learning classes. 
by Benjamin Stewart posted on 21 July, 2011
When reflecting on your (cyber)TESOL issue, think what, when, why, where, how, with whom, etc.  Another way to think about the issue is to focus on behaviors: When I do this, they do this; What they do this, I do this. etc.

Issues can be either from a teaching or learning perspective; eventual solutions which are not the focus of TESOL Talk 8 will be what can I as an educator do to address the issue.
by Benjamin Stewart posted on 20 July, 2011
Although I mentioned that the problems are ones that you face, they can also be be framed as problems (issues) that we face in the field of TESOL. :)
by George Machlan posted on 20 July, 2011





From The Edupunk

In general terms, I will be addressing my frustrations with inculcating an ownership by the students.  They seem so predisposed to follow rather then lead in their education.  It is like someone beat them with an "authority stick" nearly to death as a child.  Getting them to consider that they can be in control is getting me down. It seems like they would be more comfortable with the idea of committing suicide.


I will try not to point fingers, but it will be hard if Marcus shows up.  BTW, I think I have figured out how to achieve the full FX (special effect) of "pull my finger" in the virtual classroom.  It is part of our work in the deepest bowels of R D aka The Skunk Works


 

by George Machlan posted on 19 July, 2011
Hmmmmm, I will have to think about exposing my weaknesses.  If you promise no one can enter with kryptonite, I may share.
by George Machlan posted on 21 July, 2011

special effect has been rehearsed and is functional in the WizIQ class, here is the first demonstration:

http://www.wiziq.com/online-class/571151-edupunk-how-2

We did it within the first 5 minutes, the rest was later practice

 

by Marcus posted on 20 July, 2011
Well, I have "jadarite", the real world form of kryptonite.  I'll try to attend, I have something I would like to bring up.  If not, I'll make a post.
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